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Robert Pay's avatar

I was walking around a couple of local seaside towns and the prevalence of middle eastern dress was depressing...walking around the cliffs in Dover I felt like the crowds of our recent 'citizens' were there as a 'show of strength.' How many are on visas and how many were citizens? What skills do they have - and why am I suddenly seeing so many elderly third world people who clearly seem alienated?

This feels deliberate and against the will of us 'legacy' British. Europe is very careless of what we have built and our education tells them we are tainted. We feel powerless, and unlike a recession, there is no coming back from this political disaster.

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The State of Us: "‘the bonds that hold society together – civic participation and a shared sense of belonging – are under growing pressure’....‘this is leaving our society more fragmented...."

This is the wrong way round. The fragmentation of society from mass immigration and multiculturalism is why a shared sense of belonging is "under pressure". And the growth of Islam and its increasing colonisation of public space is one of the reasons why a shared sense of belonging is 'under pressure'. British Future, which ought to be called British Fabian Future, goes through all sorts of gyrations in its reports to obscure and deny one of the main causes of the collapse of a shared sense of belonging, the end of a "we" as a nation.

For example, in parts of London you need to speak Arabic to have any sense of a shared belonging. There are whole streets of shops and cafes with signs in Arabic, mosques proliferating, and Muslims praying outside of mosques in public which has included in Parliament Square and College Green (despite over 400 mosques in London). The message to those of us born English is clear and the denial by our political class is alienating.

In Bradford a conservative candidate in 2017 reported that the main question on the door step was about his position on Kashmir. (Today it would be Gaza and coded enquiry as to whether you support killing Jews.) They have their own banks, financial and loan systems, schools where teaching is not in English, money is sent overseas to support interests of another country, their own ethic shops containing only foods lablled in Urdu contrary to law not that our government would enforce it). They do not patronise Western cinemas but have their own. Marriage outside their communities is forbidden (on pain of death). In short, a very large swathe of Bradford is effectively Kashmir with a Yorkshire postcode. Bradford is increasingly replicated in northern towns where council opening prayers are now in Urdu.

I did laugh when I read about the cohesion enquiry, task force or whatever. I think they and British Future should be moved to terraced i accommodation in Bradford, Burnley and Bolton while working on their reports. The cogntive dissonance required to maintain their stance - spend more - would be entertaining. British Future recommend "...more schools where people regularly meet and interact with others from different background". Good luck with that in Bradford. The time when that might have worked has long passed.

Renaud Camus, French novelist, essayist and occasional political activist, was recently denied entry to the UK. He is mild mannerd and non-violent, but he was somehow not "conducive to the public good'. Perhaps it was this that troubled the Home Office:

“Individuals who so wish can always join a people out of love for its language, literature, its art de vivre or its landscapes. But, he argues, you can’t do this at scale forpeoples who remain peoples cannot join other peoples. They can only conquer them, submerge them, replace them.” He also said, in a French context: “if a veiled woman with a shaky command of our language, entirely ignorant of our culture can say to a native Frenchman with a passionate interest in Roman churches, the finer points of vocabulary and syntax, Montaigne, Jean-Jaques Rousseau, Burgundy Wine, and Proust and whose family has for several generations lived in the same little valley of the Vivrais […] 'I am just as French as you are', it follows that being French is nothing”.

Abedi, the Manchester bomber, lived in an area known as "Little Libya" and his 'refugee' family would take holidays in Libya, the country they were supposedly escaping from. Join a people they had not.

At my school in the sixties we had our first Nigerian join us. At the end of that classic English education he was as British as the rest of us, with the same cultural feeling, dispositions and instincts. He had joined us. But, as Camus, notes this cannot be done at scale.

There is a large Somali community in Streatham. Anne-Marie Waters reported that her friend had left her phone on a bus. She called it for her and a Somali, who had found it, answered. He would not "return to a woman".

In 1966, responding to race riots, Roy Jenkins dismissed "flat assimilation" on the grounds that parallel socities would live in "peaceful harmony and mutual respect". Delusional then and delusional now.

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